[2008/05/16 9:01]  You: good morning, Evus
[2008/05/16 9:02]  Evus Mizin: hello
[2008/05/16 9:02]  IM: jeremiad Jacobus: i heard you were brainstorming
[2008/05/16 9:02]  Evus Mizin: do you know where the discussion is?
[2008/05/16 9:03]  IM: jeremiad Jacobus: that is not without challenges
[2008/05/16 9:05]  IM: jeremiad Jacobus: just above my pointy head ;)
[2008/05/16 9:05]  IM: Stephe Roux: Exhibit designers meet-up atarting NOW in Parkside hall.  IM me for a tp
[2008/05/16 9:07]  IM: jeremiad Jacobus: woo!
[2008/05/16 9:07]  jeremiad Jacobus: i guess it's just you and ... me? i?
[2008/05/16 9:08]  jeremiad Jacobus: at least i can spell that
[2008/05/16 9:08]  You: for a moment, there should be more coming sooon
[2008/05/16 9:08]  You: soon
[2008/05/16 9:08]  jeremiad Jacobus: party!
[2008/05/16 9:09]  You: did you catch the big NASA party Wed.?
[2008/05/16 9:09]  IM: Bjorlyn Loon: Im slammed on the ICOM exhibit and wont be able to attend today.
[2008/05/16 9:09]  jeremiad Jacobus: no ... rocket science?
[2008/05/16 9:10]  Mars Voyager: hi
[2008/05/16 9:10]  IM: Stephe Roux: k, Bjorlyn, I understand
[2008/05/16 9:10]  You: hi, Mars
[2008/05/16 9:11]  Mars Voyager: whats on the agenda today?
[2008/05/16 9:11]  jeremiad Jacobus: hi mv. stephe was just telling me about the nasa party. are you from nasa?
[2008/05/16 9:11]  Mars Voyager: no, but I have a planetarium on the Explorer Island
[2008/05/16 9:11]  jeremiad Jacobus: cool. word on the street is that today is brainstorming day.
[2008/05/16 9:12]  You: NASA had their 50th anniversary celebtration at the Tech, both in RL and SL
[2008/05/16 9:12]  You: about 100 ppl in RL, 50 in SL
[2008/05/16 9:12]  Mars Voyager: fine
[2008/05/16 9:13]  jeremiad Jacobus: it's raining brains
[2008/05/16 9:13]  You: Jeremiad, are you doing the cool floating text that runs across my screen?
[2008/05/16 9:14]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) no on puppets
[2008/05/16 9:14]  jeremiad Jacobus: not
[2008/05/16 9:14]  Lydia Milner is Online
[2008/05/16 9:14]  You: interesting effect, but it moves too fast. Do you see it too?
[2008/05/16 9:14]  jeremiad Jacobus: oh wow! the tech museum is a great place for a party
[2008/05/16 9:14]  jeremiad Jacobus: no, i see no text
[2008/05/16 9:15]  You: so, Mars, here's whats on the agenda:
[2008/05/16 9:15]  Mars Voyager: is it a HUD?
[2008/05/16 9:15]  Lydia Milner: Hi Sorry I'm late :)
[2008/05/16 9:15]  You: hi, Lydia, no pb
[2008/05/16 9:15]  You: NASA Future Forum update, ICOM-IMD, machinima, bring a friend, rezzer update, June 4 upddate
[2008/05/16 9:16]  jeremiad Jacobus: that's quite amouthful
[2008/05/16 9:16]  You: I took some pics of the NASA event which I'll post on the Website
[2008/05/16 9:16]  Lydia Milner: oh good, how did that go?
[2008/05/16 9:17]  jeremiad Jacobus: 'morning lydia
[2008/05/16 9:17]  You: Big success. Streamed into SL
[2008/05/16 9:17]  Lydia Milner: Hey Jereniad :)
[2008/05/16 9:17]  Lydia Milner: sorry my typing is terrible
[2008/05/16 9:17]  jeremiad Jacobus: that is a *requirement* for participation in sl
[2008/05/16 9:18]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 9:18]  Avi Marquez is Offline
[2008/05/16 9:18]  You: good, then I qualify
[2008/05/16 9:18]  Lydia Milner: :)
[2008/05/16 9:18]  You: this Sunday is another big celebration @ Teh Tech
[2008/05/16 9:19]  You: International Museum Day
[2008/05/16 9:19]  You: over by the fountain
[2008/05/16 9:19]  jeremiad Jacobus: ok, what does the ICOM stand for?
[2008/05/16 9:19]  Lydia Milner: intl council of musuems
[2008/05/16 9:19]  You: Intl. Committee on Museums - it's associated with UNESCO, out of Paris
[2008/05/16 9:20]  Lydia Milner: oops :)
[2008/05/16 9:20]  You: every May 18 is IMD, and this time it will be here in SL @ teh Tech
[2008/05/16 9:21]  jeremiad Jacobus: what kind of food?
[2008/05/16 9:21]  You: check out their rock art exhibit
[2008/05/16 9:21]  Lydia Milner: pizza :)
[2008/05/16 9:21]  You: I know they serve cffee
[2008/05/16 9:21]  Lydia Milner: and tea :)
[2008/05/16 9:21]  jeremiad Jacobus: whata combo
[2008/05/16 9:21]  You: cffee
[2008/05/16 9:22]  You: coffee - the thrid try is the charm
[2008/05/16 9:22]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 9:22]  jeremiad Jacobus: clearly you haven't had your coffee
[2008/05/16 9:22]  Lydia Milner: see, you need more cffee !
[2008/05/16 9:22]  You: deffniately!
[2008/05/16 9:22]  Lydia Milner: become european, we're only a couple hrs away from wine time :)
[2008/05/16 9:23]  jeremiad Jacobus: i've read that "chat" encourages the completion of one anothers' sentences
[2008/05/16 9:23]  jeremiad Jacobus: it's always past five somewhere
[2008/05/16 9:23]  Lydia Milner: dya mean voice or typing?
[2008/05/16 9:23]  Lydia Milner: true
[2008/05/16 9:23]  jeremiad Jacobus: lol typing
[2008/05/16 9:23]  Lydia Milner: aah ok
[2008/05/16 9:23]  You: maybe we should break out the wine
[2008/05/16 9:24]  jeremiad Jacobus: completing others' sentences in voice is often more rude than cute among strangers, but it's kinda eerie in text chat
[2008/05/16 9:24]  Lydia Milner: ooh good idea, I am about to put pizza in teh oven here
[2008/05/16 9:24]  Blue Peacock is Offline
[2008/05/16 9:24]  jeremiad Jacobus: no oven for me today, the temperature is pushing 100F
[2008/05/16 9:25]  You: so the IMD stuff runs all day Sunday, and if any of you can drop in there should be a lot of international visitors to greet and show around
[2008/05/16 9:25]  You: mostly noobs to SL
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: I will be doing a small building and textures demo in the sanbox 4 x that day
[2008/05/16 9:26]  You: great!
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: I have to give hte sign to Avi to put over at IMD place
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: yeah, the 4th one MAY not come off if I forget to get up early, lol, it will be mon morning
[2008/05/16 9:26]  You: I can do that
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: ok cool, I'll drop it on you later
[2008/05/16 9:26]  You: I'll be over there later today fixing stuff
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: I lef tit at my place, not in inventory
[2008/05/16 9:26]  Lydia Milner: oops
[2008/05/16 9:27]  Lydia Milner: left it
[2008/05/16 9:27]  You: also, they are looking for folks to do machinima, if any of you is interested.
[2008/05/16 9:27]  Lydia Milner: thats a good idea!
[2008/05/16 9:28]  You: garvie is our machinima expert, but she's not here
[2008/05/16 9:28]  Lydia Milner: have you IM'd Garvie? oh no she works weekends doesnt she
[2008/05/16 9:28]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 9:28]  You: I'll let her know anyway
[2008/05/16 9:29]  T3ch Janus is Offline
[2008/05/16 9:29]  You: Then we will have another big meeting on June 4, when the Art Film & Miusic exhibt opens
[2008/05/16 9:30]  You: Philip Rosedale will be the keynote, and you're all invited
[2008/05/16 9:30]  jeremiad Jacobus: lol will there be food there too?
[2008/05/16 9:30]  You: definitely
[2008/05/16 9:30]  jeremiad Jacobus: i have a one track mind
[2008/05/16 9:30]  jeremiad Jacobus: i live to eat
[2008/05/16 9:30]  Lydia Milner: :) is that being streamed in here too Stephe?
[2008/05/16 9:30]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 9:30]  You: yes, RL and SL
[2008/05/16 9:30]  Lydia Milner: cool
[2008/05/16 9:31]  You: Lydia will be here in RL for that
[2008/05/16 9:31]  Lydia Milner: :)
[2008/05/16 9:31]  Lydia Milner: I'm really excited about coming over and meeting everyone!
[2008/05/16 9:32]  jeremiad Jacobus: rosedale? i thought he quit ;)
[2008/05/16 9:32]  You: for the rezzer question, I still haven't found a scanner script to make sure exhibits are copy-safe and rezzer-safe
[2008/05/16 9:33]  Lydia Milner: no, I asked around and couldnt find anyone that thought that was possible either
[2008/05/16 9:33]  You: so what we may do is just proceed carefully, one exhibit at a time
[2008/05/16 9:34]  Wess Wexler: hi sorry i'm late
[2008/05/16 9:34]  You: Mars, do you know if rotations is all copy+
[2008/05/16 9:34]  You: hi, Wess
[2008/05/16 9:34]  Lydia Milner: goofd idea. if ppl take to inv 1st they will have a backup
[2008/05/16 9:34]  Mars Voyager: well, it might not be right now
[2008/05/16 9:35]  jeremiad Jacobus: it's such a pain to chase down all the permissions
[2008/05/16 9:35]  jeremiad Jacobus: backups, what a concept
[2008/05/16 9:35]  Mars Voyager: but me and Annie can make it that way
[2008/05/16 9:35]  Lydia Milner: hi wess :)
[2008/05/16 9:35]  You: hi weber
[2008/05/16 9:35]  You: join us
[2008/05/16 9:35]  jeremiad Jacobus: there's a 'second inventory' product that makes local backups
[2008/05/16 9:36]  jeremiad Jacobus: but it requires a libsl hack running on your local machine, and *you* must be able to copy your stuff for it to work
[2008/05/16 9:36]  Mars Voyager: I'm not sure if I've understood the problem with the rezzer
[2008/05/16 9:36]  jeremiad Jacobus: sigh
[2008/05/16 9:37]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) welcome to the club
[2008/05/16 9:37]  Wess Wexler: I've got a rezzer but i haven't used it yet
[2008/05/16 9:37]  Wess Wexler: sorry cant be any help
[2008/05/16 9:37]  You: the pb is if a 300-object exhibit contains just 1 item that is not copyable, the rezzer will disappear it
[2008/05/16 9:37]  You: zap
[2008/05/16 9:38]  Mars Voyager: sure it has to be copyable
[2008/05/16 9:38]  Wess Wexler: loose it completely - delete it?
[2008/05/16 9:38]  You: yes
[2008/05/16 9:38]  Mars Voyager: thats what the rezzer should do, take a copy and rez that
[2008/05/16 9:38]  jeremiad Jacobus: i hate it when that happens
[2008/05/16 9:38]  You: so backups are good!
[2008/05/16 9:38]  jeremiad Jacobus: like western civilization
[2008/05/16 9:38]  Mars Voyager: but this doesn't mean that visitors can take copies of the objects
[2008/05/16 9:39]  You: Also, to make the rezzer work, you need to drop a script in the root prim of each ovject
[2008/05/16 9:39]  jeremiad Jacobus: pain in the butt
[2008/05/16 9:39]  Wess Wexler: yep i see
[2008/05/16 9:39]  Mars Voyager: Thats unavoidable, but can be limited if the exhibits are linked
[2008/05/16 9:40]  You: exactly, which is a good idea anyway ;-)
[2008/05/16 9:40]  Lydia Milner: surely the exhb can be linked as one item as its within 30ms
[2008/05/16 9:40]  CarlaICOM Bosatsu: just turn around with the arrows
[2008/05/16 9:41]  Lydia Milner: or is there a limit ons cripts and stuff?
[2008/05/16 9:41]  Mars Voyager: well, our exhibit must be in several parts
[2008/05/16 9:41]  Lydia Milner: ah ok
[2008/05/16 9:42]  Mars Voyager: but we can handle that
[2008/05/16 9:42]  Lydia Milner: i have done some testing with the rezzer and Stephe has amended the instructions so they are very claer, and it didnt take long at all
[2008/05/16 9:42]  Mars Voyager: still its a must requirement that the exhibits are copyable, no way around that
[2008/05/16 9:43]  You: fraid not
[2008/05/16 9:43]  Mars Voyager: I guess people might get problems with some textures
[2008/05/16 9:43]  You: and they must be transfer+, so you can give it to me to put in the rezzer
[2008/05/16 9:44]  Mars Voyager: right
[2008/05/16 9:45]  jeremiad Jacobus: that's just not practical in all situations
[2008/05/16 9:45]  Mars Voyager: ok, have you installed the Kiosk somewhere?
[2008/05/16 9:45]  You: not yet, but we will put several in the museum upstairs
[2008/05/16 9:46]  You: so maybe visitors and kiosks are 1:1
[2008/05/16 9:46]  Mars Voyager: oh
[2008/05/16 9:47]  Mars Voyager: and one exhibit per kiosk?
[2008/05/16 9:47]  jeremiad Jacobus: what is the reasoning behind rezzing exhibits on demand? real estate prices?
[2008/05/16 9:47]  You: actually we might but all the exhibits in each rezzer
[2008/05/16 9:47]  Mars Voyager: people should be made aware of this
[2008/05/16 9:48]  You: the rezzing is b/c of the load on the sim
[2008/05/16 9:48]  Mars Voyager: script communictation might clash
[2008/05/16 9:48]  jeremiad Jacobus: ok
[2008/05/16 9:48]  You: ah, good point, Mars
[2008/05/16 9:48]  jeremiad Jacobus: perhaps it would be enough to set scripts run/not run on demand
[2008/05/16 9:49]  jeremiad Jacobus: or by proximity
[2008/05/16 9:49]  You: how far apart would the rezzers need to be to avoid that?
[2008/05/16 9:49]  Mars Voyager: depends on the script
[2008/05/16 9:49]  Mars Voyager: some communicate over a whole region
[2008/05/16 9:49]  jeremiad Jacobus: rezzers are the spawn of he devil
[2008/05/16 9:49]  jeremiad Jacobus: the
[2008/05/16 9:49]  You: I'm beginning to agree, Jeremiad
[2008/05/16 9:50]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 9:50]  Wess Wexler: r u using them as a space saver?
[2008/05/16 9:50]  jeremiad Jacobus: it was one of the first words i ever heard in sl, and i still don't get it
[2008/05/16 9:50]  Wess Wexler: or are there other technical reasons
[2008/05/16 9:51]  jeremiad Jacobus: sim load is the ostensible rationale, says stephe, wess
[2008/05/16 9:51]  Wess Wexler: or just because the idea is cool?
[2008/05/16 9:51]  LysaICOM Laks is Online
[2008/05/16 9:51]  Mars Voyager: prim count I guess is one important factor
[2008/05/16 9:51]  Wess Wexler: ahh OK keeps total prim count down?
[2008/05/16 9:51]  You: prim count, too
[2008/05/16 9:52]  Wess Wexler: yes i see why
[2008/05/16 9:52]  You: at the peak, with 30-some exhibits in here, we had less than 50 prims headroom
[2008/05/16 9:52]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) buy more
[2008/05/16 9:52]  You: now, with some removed, it's like 300
[2008/05/16 9:52]  Wess Wexler: wow that is close
[2008/05/16 9:53]  jeremiad Jacobus: oooh a whole 1500 still free here now
[2008/05/16 9:54]  You: we could buy a new island, but still, in 2-3 years and 3-4 more exhibitions, we would keep having problems
[2008/05/16 9:54]  jeremiad Jacobus: in 2-3 years moore's law will have quite an effect on capacity
[2008/05/16 9:55]  Lydia Milner: You could buy a few sims and now rent the to other museusm, in teh future boot them/cancel lease and use fro yourselves.
[2008/05/16 9:55]  Lydia Milner: or, keep renting spcae if by then a better solution is found
[2008/05/16 9:55]  jeremiad Jacobus: in 2-3 years any sim you buy will be soooo obsolete
[2008/05/16 9:55]  jeremiad Jacobus: even in 2 or three months
[2008/05/16 9:55]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-)
[2008/05/16 9:56]  Bjorlyn Loon is Offline
[2008/05/16 9:56]  jeremiad Jacobus: in fact, the tech is a prime candidate for building its own opensim server
[2008/05/16 9:56]  You: hi, Lysa come join us
[2008/05/16 9:56]  jeremiad Jacobus: why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
[2008/05/16 9:56]  You: and tell these folks about IMD
[2008/05/16 9:56]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Hi Rob
[2008/05/16 9:56]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Are you around
[2008/05/16 9:56]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: I'm lost in a hallway
[2008/05/16 9:57]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: outside the meting room at The TECH
[2008/05/16 9:57]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: our president is doing her "tutorial"
[2008/05/16 9:57]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: with Carla & Jehanne
[2008/05/16 9:57]  Disconnected from in-world Voice Chat
[2008/05/16 9:57]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Hi
[2008/05/16 9:57]  jeremiad Jacobus shouts: over here lysa
[2008/05/16 9:58]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Sure! Who are they?
[2008/05/16 9:58]  Lydia Milner: heya :)
[2008/05/16 9:58]  jeremiad Jacobus: garvie! we were just talking about you;))
[2008/05/16 9:58]  Garvie Garzo: sorry RL SWAMPEDall week
[2008/05/16 9:58]  You: that blur was the lady who's organizing IMD
[2008/05/16 9:58]  Garvie Garzo: lol
[2008/05/16 9:58]  You: hi, Garvie
[2008/05/16 9:58]  Garvie Garzo: hi
[2008/05/16 9:59]  You: we were just talking about you
[2008/05/16 9:59]  Wess Wexler: hi garvie - Wess from the UK just listening in
[2008/05/16 9:59]  Garvie Garzo: hi
[2008/05/16 9:59]  Garvie Garzo: sorry i'm so late
[2008/05/16 9:59]  Garvie Garzo: you must be almsot done
[2008/05/16 9:59]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Is this the right place?
[2008/05/16 9:59]  Lydia Milner: Wess are you anything to do with Plymouth Uni?
[2008/05/16 9:59]  jeremiad Jacobus: let's get this party started!
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: OK
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: I'll just say a word and then go.
[2008/05/16 10:00]  Wess Wexler: no I'm at Loughborough (near Nottingham)
[2008/05/16 10:00]  Lydia Milner: ah ok
[2008/05/16 10:00]  jeremiad Jacobus: hey, nice boots garvie
[2008/05/16 10:00]  Garvie Garzo: thx
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: Hi everyone.
[2008/05/16 10:00]  You: hi, Lysa, come join us
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: I am Lysa Hochroth from ICOM
[2008/05/16 10:00]  Wess Wexler: i know one or two surfers down there tho
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: a total novice
[2008/05/16 10:00]  Garvie Garzo: yard work in both lives
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: I love to bump into walls
[2008/05/16 10:00]  IM: LysaICOM Laks: it doesn't even hurt!
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Wess Wexler: who work at the university
[2008/05/16 10:01]  You: this is Lysa Hochroth from ICOM
[2008/05/16 10:01]  jeremiad Jacobus: a gardener's work is never done
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Lydia Milner: :) there are lots of those here :)
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Garvie Garzo: especially now
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Garvie Garzo: you should see what i'm wearing in RL...
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Garvie Garzo: mostly NUD
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Wess Wexler: ahh i dont - too cold in England
[2008/05/16 10:01]  Garvie Garzo: MUD
[2008/05/16 10:01]  LysaICOM Laks: I just wanted to invite you all
[2008/05/16 10:01]  LysaICOM Laks: to International Museum Day
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: which is this SUNDAY
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Lydia Milner: Hi Lysal :)
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: 24 hours/24
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: Hi Lydia
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Wess Wexler: where are you based lydia
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: Now you are all designers and so on
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Lydia Milner: Plymouth
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: Pleasure.
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Wess Wexler: do you know GEES?
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: Now, I hope to interview people from The Tech
[2008/05/16 10:02]  LysaICOM Laks: at the gathering
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Lydia Milner: huh?
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Garvie Garzo: ????
[2008/05/16 10:02]  Lydia Milner: Gees?
[2008/05/16 10:03]  jeremiad Jacobus: jeez
[2008/05/16 10:03]  LysaICOM Laks: International Museum Day is the International Council of Museum's big event
[2008/05/16 10:03]  LysaICOM Laks: tens of thousands of museums participate in RL
[2008/05/16 10:03]  LysaICOM Laks: It's not very big in the US
[2008/05/16 10:03]  Garvie Garzo: sool
[2008/05/16 10:03]  LysaICOM Laks: SO, do join us
[2008/05/16 10:03]  jeremiad Jacobus: wow, i didn't know there *were* tens of thousands of museums
[2008/05/16 10:03]  LysaICOM Laks: You'd be surprised...
[2008/05/16 10:03]  You: I was just saying that we will have lots of intl. visitors on Sunday for intl museum day
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: We have 25,000 members
[2008/05/16 10:04]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) i am surprised every day
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: SO, right now
[2008/05/16 10:04]  jeremiad Jacobus: wow!
[2008/05/16 10:04]  You: so if you can drop by to help greet them it woulld be great
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: our President, Alissandra Cummins is trying to do a tutorial
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: with Carla and Jehanne
[2008/05/16 10:04]  Wess Wexler: sorry l - just checking on web
[2008/05/16 10:04]  Wess Wexler: the Higher Education Academy Subject Centre for Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences (GEES).
[2008/05/16 10:04]  You: there will be lots of noobs to SL there
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: So, I'll join them
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: but do join us on Sunday and meet some of our network
[2008/05/16 10:04]  LysaICOM Laks: the most adventurous ones
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Wess Wexler: yep sounds good
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Lydia Milner: I will be doing a beginners building and tetures overview demo in sanbox at 1am 1pm 10am 10pm
[2008/05/16 10:05]  LysaICOM Laks: from France, Spain, Canada, Morocco, Lebanon, Israel, Kenya, Guatemala!!!etc
[2008/05/16 10:05]  You: If anyone would like to do a mcahinima there it would be fantastic
[2008/05/16 10:05]  LysaICOM Laks: See you on Sunday then!
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Lydia Milner: Lysal will there be a list of which museums will be here?
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Garvie Garzo: i can probably make the 10pm
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Lydia Milner: gosh she walks fast!
[2008/05/16 10:05]  You: the main event is a 9 AM SLT
[2008/05/16 10:05]  Lydia Milner: or I type slow!!
[2008/05/16 10:06]  Lydia Milner: heehee garvie you dont need to come it will be for the newbies, but you can film if you want
[2008/05/16 10:06]  Mars Voyager: sorry, need to leave
[2008/05/16 10:06]  Garvie Garzo: i work most ofthe day 8=7basically
[2008/05/16 10:06]  jeremiad Jacobus: hot jets!
[2008/05/16 10:06]  Garvie Garzo: sucks
[2008/05/16 10:06]  Wess Wexler: where r u getting your newbies from?
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Lydia Milner: bye Mars, take care :)
[2008/05/16 10:07]  jeremiad Jacobus: lol the lord must love newbies, she made so many of them
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Wess Wexler: are they undergrads?
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Lydia Milner: I tihnk most of the museuem reps are new to SL
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Garvie Garzo: lol
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Wess Wexler: hee hee
[2008/05/16 10:07]  Garvie Garzo: undergrads?
[2008/05/16 10:08]  You: the world is full of newbies
[2008/05/16 10:08]  Lydia Milner: hey... were all newbies at something somewhere :)
[2008/05/16 10:08]  You: there's one born every second
[2008/05/16 10:08]  Wess Wexler: yep the newbies you are training are they from all over or from a specific place
[2008/05/16 10:08]  jeremiad Jacobus: look! there goes one now!
[2008/05/16 10:08]  Bjorlyn Loon is Online
[2008/05/16 10:09]  Wess Wexler: i ask as i'm running a seminar soon and getting newbies to sign up is a problem
[2008/05/16 10:09]  Garvie Garzo: what's the seminar?
[2008/05/16 10:09]  Lydia Milner: oh ok what is your seiminar on?
[2008/05/16 10:09]  jeremiad Jacobus: the most important learning curve for newbies to get over is to find a friend
[2008/05/16 10:09]  jeremiad Jacobus: this is, of course, problematic
[2008/05/16 10:09]  Wess Wexler: its to introduce Higer ed. engineering academics to SL
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Garvie Garzo: excellent
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Garvie Garzo: any particulardiscipline?
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Wess Wexler: they dont tend to be interested
[2008/05/16 10:10]  You: that reminds me: bring a frriend to the Tech
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Garvie Garzo: tell me about it
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Wess Wexler: as it doesn't seem to offer them anything
[2008/05/16 10:10]  jeremiad Jacobus: ewww they are the last ones we want to see
[2008/05/16 10:10]  You: to work on our next exhibit UcanTu
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Garvie Garzo: yet..
[2008/05/16 10:10]  Wess Wexler: lol
[2008/05/16 10:10]  jeremiad Jacobus: the supply of higher ed engineering academics is limited
[2008/05/16 10:10]  jeremiad Jacobus: thank god
[2008/05/16 10:11]  Wess Wexler: those who have signed up have already made the leap
[2008/05/16 10:11]  Garvie Garzo: what's a 'engineering academic'?
[2008/05/16 10:11]  jeremiad Jacobus: no offense, stephe
[2008/05/16 10:11]  Wess Wexler: into SL
[2008/05/16 10:11]  Garvie Garzo: a teacher ofengineering?
[2008/05/16 10:11]  jeremiad Jacobus: lol stephe qualifies
[2008/05/16 10:11]  jeremiad Jacobus: but stephe is the exception that proves the rule
[2008/05/16 10:11]  Wess Wexler: yep Garvie can be mechanical environmental civil
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Wess Wexler: #
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Wess Wexler: etc.
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Garvie Garzo: you'd think civil would be mildly interested
[2008/05/16 10:12]  jeremiad Jacobus: i have a million 'engineer' jokes
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Garvie Garzo: it's a good design platform at least
[2008/05/16 10:12]  You: quite a few architects have adopted SL for their teaching
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Wess Wexler: me to but they have 3D visulisation tools already
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Garvie Garzo: but not many REAL engineering problems
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Wess Wexler: i collect engineer jokes!
[2008/05/16 10:12]  You: what gets them is 2 words: "free materials"
[2008/05/16 10:12]  Wess Wexler: seroisly on my website
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Garvie Garzo: lol
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Garvie Garzo: i collect philosophy jokes
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Wess Wexler: sorry garvie
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Lydia Milner: but even if they dont like the physics of the place they can get together with like minds form around the world that they woudl not otherwise have a forum for idea sharing with
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Wess Wexler: philosophy jokes - easy
[2008/05/16 10:13]  jeremiad Jacobus: You might be an engineer if . . .
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Garvie Garzo: dare ya
[2008/05/16 10:13]  You: we need jokes
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Garvie Garzo: tech jokes?
[2008/05/16 10:13]  Wess Wexler: yep i agree lydia the social aspect is the big benefit
[2008/05/16 10:14]  Lydia Milner: i tihnk the ou runs a group in SL for social rather than anything else, they may have some hints on getting ppl intesrteted
[2008/05/16 10:14]  Wess Wexler: it would be nice to show some hardcore engineering in SL
[2008/05/16 10:14]  jeremiad Jacobus: the biggest ;-) having fun and the social networking aspects of sl are the other things that set it apart fro0m the rest
[2008/05/16 10:14]  Wess Wexler: yep i know elsa dickens who runs their island
[2008/05/16 10:15]  Lydia Milner: another sim in scilands is building a nuclear reactor in here
[2008/05/16 10:15]  You: NOAA has done some pretty cool stuff
[2008/05/16 10:15]  Wess Wexler: yep i've just been in touch with those 2 nuke guys
[2008/05/16 10:15]  Wess Wexler: got an im haven't read it yet!
[2008/05/16 10:15]  You: there is a map of the US with real weather
[2008/05/16 10:16]  jeremiad Jacobus: content is not king. the most subtle aspects of the platform are very important.
[2008/05/16 10:16]  Wess Wexler: sorry my son is raiding the larder behind me...
[2008/05/16 10:16]  Lydia Milner: Wess hve you looked around the rest of scilands or www.scilands.org
[2008/05/16 10:16]  Lydia Milner: yeah, when you're on the coimputer they get up to all kinds :)
[2008/05/16 10:16]  You: and a globe with all kinds of data mapped on it : fisheries, pollution, population, etc
[2008/05/16 10:17]  You: look for Second Earth
[2008/05/16 10:17]  Garvie Garzo: maybe they'd be interested in some ofthe Ucan Tu technologies and how to represent them
[2008/05/16 10:17]  Wess Wexler: thx stephe will check it out
[2008/05/16 10:17]  Garvie Garzo: they could prototype stuff for RL builds
[2008/05/16 10:17]  jeremiad Jacobus: thank you stephe, yes
[2008/05/16 10:17]  Wess Wexler: ?
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Wess Wexler: wot is ucantu
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Garvie Garzo: wanna a URL?
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Wess Wexler: yep please
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Lydia Milner: wess see www.thetechvirtual.org/projects
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Lydia Milner: ucantu stand for you can too
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Lydia Milner: the latest SL to RL exhibit prototypin that the Tech is carrying out here
[2008/05/16 10:18]  Wess Wexler: i met someone who had done some work with inworld physics but when the SIM went to havoc 4 they stopped working
[2008/05/16 10:18]  jeremiad Jacobus accepted your inventory offer.
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Wess Wexler accepted your inventory offer.
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Lydia Milner: museum exhibits are designed around a seletion of 21 winners of tech awards
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Lydia Milner: which are RL award for design/innovation that benefits humanity
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Wess Wexler: thx GG
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Garvie Garzo: np
[2008/05/16 10:19]  Garvie Garzo: i paste well :)
[2008/05/16 10:20]  You: well, folks, shall we call it a wrap?
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Wess Wexler: SL to RL - tell me more
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Lydia Milner: look aroudn you, here sre some of the winning exhbs for the first SL to RL, art film and music
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Wess Wexler: thx lydia
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Garvie Garzo: ok.. well we build exhibits HERE hopingthat they will be reinterpreted or modelled in RL atthe tech
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Garvie Garzo: so farso good
[2008/05/16 10:20]  Lydia Milner: we design and prototpye the exhbs here and some are selcted to be built in RL at the REAL Tech in California
[2008/05/16 10:21]  Wess Wexler: i will thx engineer is my job art and SL are my interest!:)
[2008/05/16 10:21]  Lydia Milner: there are of course some diferences between sl and rl from a trehnical point of view, but thats parts of the fun
[2008/05/16 10:21]  You: and we hope in future to get other museums involved, too
[2008/05/16 10:21]  You: maybe through ICOM
[2008/05/16 10:21]  Lydia Milner: yes, last night there was a brainstorming/buidling sesion with New York Hall of Science who
[2008/05/16 10:21]  Wess Wexler: i think its agreat idea i guess the diff is the fun
[2008/05/16 10:22]  Lydia Milner: wanted ideas fr a new exhib for 4-12 yr olds about light and shadow
[2008/05/16 10:22]  Garvie Garzo: damn sorry i messed that
[2008/05/16 10:22]  Lydia Milner: of course ther eare no real shadows in SL but we got a lot of ideas down and still maanbged to prototype some ideas without the use of any shadow
[2008/05/16 10:22]  Lydia Milner: yes it was really good, very open and ideas bouncing aorund
[2008/05/16 10:22]  You: making open source museum exhibits
[2008/05/16 10:22]  jeremiad Jacobus: there are shadows
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Garvie Garzo: you can fake or bake em anyway..
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Garvie Garzo: butthere are no cast shadows here
[2008/05/16 10:23]  jeremiad Jacobus: yes there are
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Garvie Garzo: butthere is shade
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Wess Wexler: could shadows be done with a HUD?
[2008/05/16 10:23]  jeremiad Jacobus: well, ok, reflections on water
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Garvie Garzo: no, i don'tthink
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Garvie Garzo: yes, reflections are more like shade
[2008/05/16 10:23]  Wess Wexler: and flexible prims?
[2008/05/16 10:24]  Lydia Milner: so Wess back to your point, you can maybe get a group of eng techies in here to solve a problem or review a theory from diff parts of the world and they could bounce it around with buidling and protyping
[2008/05/16 10:24]  Lydia Milner: not real physics and all that but open and invigiroating all the same
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Lydia Milner: and a darn sight easier and cheaper than flying your ass around the world to a conference just to talk to someone whose paper you liked :)
[2008/05/16 10:25]  jeremiad Jacobus: cascio at his stanford talk described sl as 'more real than real' and he certainly wasn't talking about physics
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Garvie Garzo: good point
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Wess Wexler: yep!
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Lydia Milner: lol yes
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Draxtor Despres is Offline
[2008/05/16 10:25]  LysaICOM Laks has ended the call.  You will now be reconnected to spatial voice chat.
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2008/05/16 10:25]  Connected
[2008/05/16 10:25]  jeremiad Jacobus: i like flying my ass around in sl
[2008/05/16 10:25]  You: i've attended a lot of conferences that were less interactive that a meeting in SL!
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Wess Wexler: lol
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Lydia Milner: hahaha v good point Stephe
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Wess Wexler: r u guys all at plymouth?
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Lydia Milner: thats what Davee commerce said to me too
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Garvie Garzo: plymouth?
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Lydia Milner: no all about
[2008/05/16 10:26]  jeremiad Jacobus: i've gone on dates that were less interactive
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Garvie Garzo: u of?
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Lydia Milner: I am in Plmyouth England
[2008/05/16 10:26]  You: lol
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Garvie Garzo: ah
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Garvie Garzo: no, i'm in canada
[2008/05/16 10:26]  Wess Wexler: how3 about u JJ
[2008/05/16 10:27]  Lydia Milner: Wess if you know Plymouth I am about 8 mins from the uni, behind the museum :)
[2008/05/16 10:27]  jeremiad Jacobus: i'm only about fifty miles from the tech museum, actually
[2008/05/16 10:27]  Lydia Milner: aah, hence the 100f
[2008/05/16 10:27]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) too far to walk. or fly.
[2008/05/16 10:28]  You: close enough to make the conference on June 4, maybe?
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Wess Wexler: sorry JJ not with u?
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Wess Wexler: near plymouth?
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Garvie Garzo: he's nearthe RL tech
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Garvie Garzo: in san jose
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Lydia Milner: This is the virtual arepsresentation of the real tech museum
[2008/05/16 10:28]  Lydia Milner: which is in san jose california
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Wess Wexler: ahh OK
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Wess Wexler: r u there too stephe?
[2008/05/16 10:29]  You: yup
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Lydia Milner: young Stephe here works at both, perhaps he gets a virutal salary, hopefully not in both lol
[2008/05/16 10:29]  You: I spend all my Lindens on virtual pizza
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Garvie Garzo: lol
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Lydia Milner: hahaha
[2008/05/16 10:29]  Wess Wexler: lol
[2008/05/16 10:30]  Garvie Garzo: i buy clothes
[2008/05/16 10:30]  jeremiad Jacobus: stephe needs more clothes
[2008/05/16 10:30]  Lydia Milner: I but textures :)
[2008/05/16 10:30]  Garvie Garzo: yes, i've been meaning to suggest a shopping trip
[2008/05/16 10:30]  jeremiad Jacobus: ;-) that's what friends are for
[2008/05/16 10:30]  You: yes my wardrobe needs a rehab, you're niot the first to tell me ;-)
[2008/05/16 10:30]  Wess Wexler: i spend my time trying to persuade my collegues how good SL is
[2008/05/16 10:31]  Wess Wexler: while they laugh..
[2008/05/16 10:31]  jeremiad Jacobus: that's a waste of time, yes
[2008/05/16 10:31]  Lydia Milner: yes, i do that. I was at a acourse y/day with someone from plymouthh museum, I offerd to come give a free demo in my own time!!!!
[2008/05/16 10:31]  jeremiad Jacobus: and you risk being thought *very* weird
[2008/05/16 10:31]  Lydia Milner: and I keep trying to tell the council, who I work for, to get the city in SL
[2008/05/16 10:31]  Lydia Milner: its like tryoting to tell ppl the world is not flat, you NEARLY get locked up
[2008/05/16 10:31]  Garvie Garzo: i haven't convinced anyone in 6 months of proslethising
[2008/05/16 10:32]  Lydia Milner: or for us left handers just dunked in pond and sent out of town :)
[2008/05/16 10:32]  jeremiad Jacobus: don't forget the porn
[2008/05/16 10:32]  Lydia Milner: yes, the council could includes plymouth porn, true :)
[2008/05/16 10:32]  Wess Wexler: we have a support group!
[2008/05/16 10:32]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 10:32]  jeremiad Jacobus: the most important 4 words in internet marketing: ...
[2008/05/16 10:32]  Wess Wexler: weirest demo i did was over a beer to a bunch of army people
[2008/05/16 10:32]  jeremiad Jacobus: "free sex, click here"
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Lydia Milner: lol
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Wess Wexler: so if the paratroopers pile in here its my fault
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Qion Ning is Offline
[2008/05/16 10:33]  jeremiad Jacobus: writ large in sl. philip's little secret.
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Lydia Milner: lol we could have lots of men in uniform shimmiying throught he open cieling on ropes ha ha
[2008/05/16 10:33]  You: lol
[2008/05/16 10:33]  jeremiad Jacobus: raining men
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Garvie Garzo: i like it
[2008/05/16 10:33]  Wess Wexler: they were quite impreessed actually more than some of the academic pin-jheads i know
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Lydia Milner: the army did that here at the citadel in a musical show a few years ago, it was very specactular wu=ith all the lights and freworks and dancers too
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Wess Wexler: but they are used to virtual stuff for training
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Lydia Milner: very good point Wess
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Garvie Garzo: i just had a great idea for a rene magritte particle emitter
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Wess Wexler: cool!
[2008/05/16 10:34]  jeremiad Jacobus: all these tech advances are owed to the military
[2008/05/16 10:34]  You: Yesterday I just did a SL walk-trhough for a room full of folks from a community college
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Wess Wexler: i want one!
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Lydia Milner: its getting ppl to accept cvirtual as normal, and even better than RL, like the nuke simulator
[2008/05/16 10:34]  Garvie Garzo: soon
[2008/05/16 10:35]  jeremiad Jacobus: oooh, hotel magritte is my favorite screen saver
[2008/05/16 10:35]  Lydia Milner: oh cool Stephe, what was the age range like?
[2008/05/16 10:35]  Wess Wexler: now!
[2008/05/16 10:35]  Wess Wexler: ;)
[2008/05/16 10:35]  You: they were mostly faculty
[2008/05/16 10:35]  You: it remains to be seen what fruit it may bring
[2008/05/16 10:35]  Wess Wexler: yep u r right Lydia about perceptions
[2008/05/16 10:36]  Lydia Milner: Wess have you spoken to DAvee commerce?
[2008/05/16 10:36]  Wess Wexler: im sure i have whats his RL?
[2008/05/16 10:36]  jeremiad Jacobus: nice to see you all - i have to go stand in front of a fan for a while
[2008/05/16 10:36]  Lydia Milner: Dave Taylor, imerpial science museum
[2008/05/16 10:36]  Lydia Milner: I interviewd him recnertly for an article
[2008/05/16 10:36]  Wess Wexler: nice to meet u JJ
[2008/05/16 10:36]  You: so li=ong jeremaid
[2008/05/16 10:36]  You: long
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Lydia Milner: lol have a cool time :)
[2008/05/16 10:37]  jeremiad Jacobus: bye!
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Lydia Milner: bye :)
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Wess Wexler: can i read the interview L
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Wess Wexler: ?
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Lydia Milner: hmm, i have it here on pdf.
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Lydia Milner: can i get a pdf into sl/
[2008/05/16 10:37]  Lydia Milner: tecture/
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Lydia Milner: ?
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Lydia Milner: hard to read though
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Wess Wexler: dunno just wondering that too
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Lydia Milner: ooh i coudl notcard the unedit version
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Wess Wexler: my email?
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Garvie Garzo: you could if you made it power point
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Wess Wexler: rob@engsc.ac.uk
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Lydia Milner: give me afew minuntes, i think I did it ont he pc and i am on the laptop,
[2008/05/16 10:38]  Lydia Milner: ah ok that is easier, will be with you in a couple of minutes from Marie Crandell
[2008/05/16 10:39]  You: hey wess, I'm Rob, too
[2008/05/16 10:39]  Garvie Garzo: he's also t3ch.. don't be fooled
[2008/05/16 10:39]  You: can you send me a copy, too, Lydia?
[2008/05/16 10:40]  You: so, shall we wrap it up for this week?
[2008/05/16 10:40]  Garvie Garzo: yes
[2008/05/16 10:40]  Wess Wexler: sorry wont b qa sec...l
[2008/05/16 10:40]  Garvie Garzo: i am still working on the rezzer controller
[2008/05/16 10:40]  Wess Wexler: ok
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Lydia Milner: sure Stephe
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Garvie Garzo: i gotaround poerms for the controller.. but kiosk didn't work'
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Lydia Milner: ok, did Avi give you an textures to show us of RL,s he said she might have time to?
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Wess Wexler: great to meet u all thx 4 inviting me lydia
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Garvie Garzo: but it was one of thoise asset screw up days.. so maybe it DOES work
[2008/05/16 10:41]  Lydia Milner: ok Wess ent to your emailnow
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Wess Wexler: thanks and good luck with the rezzer i'll have a look around ghere next
[2008/05/16 10:42]  You: so come back next week, and bring a friend
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Wess Wexler: it looks great
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Lydia Milner: Stephe did Avi give you anything of rl to show?
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Wess Wexler: yep will do stephe
[2008/05/16 10:42]  You: on tuesday at 10 we have meetings about the UcanTu exhibit
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Wess Wexler: bye
[2008/05/16 10:42]  Lydia Milner: bye :)
[2008/05/16 10:43]  You: no Lydia
[2008/05/16 10:43]  Lydia Milner: oh ok :)
[2008/05/16 10:43]  You: what srt of texture?
[2008/05/16 10:43]  Lydia Milner: hmm, at the end of the NYSci on weds she said she would not bre able
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Lydia Milner: to make the mtg today but would try to give you some stuff to show us of the RL
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Lydia Milner: pisc I guess
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Lydia Milner: pics
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Garvie Garzo: ok, well i'll be in touch theSECONDthat i get the exhibit kiosk rezzer working.. but bye for now
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Lydia Milner: bye Garvie
[2008/05/16 10:44]  You: no, but perhaps I can put it on teh webiste
[2008/05/16 10:44]  Lydia Milner: ah that would be nice :)
[2008/05/16 10:44]  You: so long Garvie